The View From the Armchair – Game 4 vs NU

Quick. What is big,  green, ugly, and has a reputation for causing warts?

If after watching our first round encounter against NU, you answered “Green Archer basketball”, I wouldn’t blame you. Close, but now quite. The usual answer is “a toad”.

You may ask, why the question? Well, if you saw the game live, you might have asked something similar. Or stalked out of the arena after the Alma Mater song to get some mouthwash to gargle away the bad taste the game left in your mouth. And I wouldn’t blame you if you broke out in rashes with every missed shot in the second half. Some might even mistake the rashes for the beginnings of warts.

The Archers picked up their second win by muzzling the ‘dogs in what could be called the street brawl equivalent of a basketball game. It sure wasn’t purty, but they got it done, beating NU into submission, 74-63. For some, the win was as excruciatingly painful as a root canal without anesthesia, particularly in the 3rd quarter where the Archers managed to score all of 2 points, probably a league record or close to it. Thankfully, NU also had their own version of offensive ineptitude, only putting up 13 points during this quarter to allow us to hang on to the remnants of a once-large 23 point lead which shrank to just 12 after 3 periods. With the Bulldogs snarling and snapping at their heels, the Green Archers looked like they were about to become roadkill. Some furious tinkering with the Archers’ lineup in the last 10 minutes managed to stem the bleeding, allowing them to keep an 11-point margin at the end.

One thing’s for sure, the 2-point total and 15 total points scored by both teams in the third quarter will remain a trivia item for a long time. And our 15 second half points? Against UP, I wrote about a Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde persona of the Archers. Nowhere was it more vividly evident than in the tale of two halves yesterday. 59 points in the first half. 15 in the second. Are we talking about the same team?

Ten years from now, if you’re asked “What’s the lowest scoring quarter ever in the UAAP?”, chances are the ready answer will be this game. Season 74, game 4 of the Green Archers.

What went wrong?

A lot. The second half was a stark contrast to a smooth, effective, and explosive Archer first half. Next question, please.

Questions, questions

The questions about the causes for the offensive ineptitude will remain in people’s mind for a long time. How could a team stocked with so many shooters and scorers be held to just 2 foul shots in a quarter?

And the head scratching about the substitution patterns and player rotation will continue. Head and Shoulders, anyone?

The zero errors of Martin Reyes and Papot Paredes. Wait, what was that? Reyes and Paredes didn’t play. Sorry, my mistake. But Papot was a defensive terror in the paint last season, and Reyes showed a lot of promise in LSGH. Are they in the coach’s doghouse, pun intended? And why are Almond Vosotros and Jovet Mendoza keeping them company on the bench?

What went right?

The first half. Sam Marata’s ending his shooting slump. The second consecutive double digit scoring game of AVO and Oda Tampus. Maui’s continued excellent all-around “not-in-the-stat sheet” play. LA Revilla’s ability to carry the team when needed. Luigi dela Paz’s dagger 3 that was final nail in the ‘dogs hopes to pull off a win.

Some good D = prized NU rookie Parks held to an ineffective 13 points.

The significance of this game

We’re now at .500 with 2 wins after that bad 2-loss start. With 10 games to go, seven more wins will practically assure us of a playoff berth, while six more will probably get us at least a tie for a playoff spot. Still a long way to go, but we’re getting there. One game at a time.

People will question how this game was won, and will doubt the team’s ability to win against better opponents. Valid concerns. Can this team compete effectively against the better teams?

Wait one moment. Who says we can’t be competitive?

During the run-up to Season 74, wasn’t NU fancied as an F4 contender? Didn’t we battle toe-to-toe with both FEU and Ateneo for stretches in the first half of both games, only to falter in the 2nd half? Well, our past 2 games have featured a fairly good finishing kick at the end-game. And the team also showed that it can recover from a bad patch and find a way to win. That was lacking in the past editions of the Archers.

Let’s also look at it the other way. Can’t question results – the win. Is a win is a win. Not a loss. 2-2 instead of 1-3. I’d much rather we win ugly than we play pretty ball and we lose. Yesterday, the Archers managed to win despite playing ugly ball. Again. Last year, we were griping about the team and players not finding a way to win because there was no go-to guy. Well, some have emerged today, enough to cement our win, ugly though it may be.

Our secret weapon?

We saw glimpses of this ugly ball against UP in the second quarter. I guess they’re getting the hang of it by now.

Let’s use another angle – we forced the opponents to play our game, just turned out that it was ugly. Can’t complain that NU also played ugly. Actually, even uglier. I’d like to think that our team had a hand in that.

Hmmm, maybe we’ve stumbled on to something here. Oops, I might be letting out a secret, that is to force the opponents to play our game. After all, that is always the objective of the coaches – to force the opponents to play at your chosen tempo, and control the nature of the game to suit your strategy. Maybe the plan is to promote ugly ball the way past editions of the Green Archers used the pressure defense and full court press to force opponents into a panic when they shifted into trap mode. Trivia – former Ateneo hotshot Chris Tiu got an unwelcome taste of this in his very first game against us in the UAAP, which is probably why he had his “Master moment” during an all-alone fastbreak which he unceremoniously flubbed, to the howls of the gallery.

Now, if we can get the remaining opponents to play ugly, of course we’ll win. After all, our team pioneered this strategy this year. And so far, it’s taking our opponents by surprise. It certainly worked against UP after it was unveiled in our last game. After 4 outings, I haven’t seen anything remotely similar from the other coaches. It takes a lot of practice to play smooth basketball. Unlearning that is hard.  Ugly ball is hard work, believe it or not.

Well, it worked yesterday, didn’t it? Coach E probably didn’t know what hit him, what with the revolving door substitutions. When our players like Marata and AVO start scoring, they get subbed. Just when Coach E was fielding in his defenders specifically to stop them. So what’s the defender going to do when he checks in only to find that his defensive assignment is already on the bench? Probably messed up the opposing coach’s well designed game plans and player rotations also. And his players probably were confused and incredulous when we missed all our field goal tries in the 3rd quarter. Didn’t know how to react.

Ugly ball. It’s infectious. Other teams may not have an antidote yet. Toss the element of surprise into the mix. Stir well and serve when least expected. Guaranteed to surprise. Mixed metaphors? Just like confusing game plans? No worries. At this point, nobody does it better than us. And surprisingly, it seems to be working so far.

Still another point of view. Call me suspicious. But after a really good, in fact, superb first half performance which showed how good and dominating Archer ball can be, maybe the coaches realized that the other teams would be watching, and told the team to play loose and ugly, make the competition think the first half was a fluke. Maybe our coaches thought they had tipped their hand, showed their cards too early. Actually, after looking at the scores, all we needed to do to win was score 5 (!!!) points in the second half. 5 measly points. We scored 15, so it wasn’t as much of a heart stopper. If you think about it, which half was the real fluke? Smoke screen theory, anyone?

Talk about a paradigm shift. A puzzler. Makes it harder for opposing coaches to prepare against us. And that’s a good thing. Methinks there’s a method to this seeming madness, but we haven’t figured out what it is yet. That’s for our coaches to know and for us supporters to try and find out while we watch the games.

Me? I’d gladly take an ugly win, warts and all. But first, will somebody please get that frog off my desk?

And from my friend Proud Archer:

 NU started playing VERY PHYSICAL in the second half.  You could see it while Parks was egging his teamates on coming out of the dug-out for the second half (I was seeated near the entrance.).  We couldn’t adjust (both the players and the coaching staff) for quite a long period simply because: 

  1. Most of our players are still young.  They do not know to respond to this physicality.
  2. You have now seen the disadvantage of a shorter rotation.  We did not bring in bangers like Gotladera and Paredes in.  See?  In every choice, there are advantages and disadvantages.  That is why I do not like posts which dwell into hindsight analysis.  Everyone’s vision is 20-20 hindsight.
  3. Our rotation has been further shortened by the disappearance of the games of some players (sophomore jinx?), particulary Almond Vosotros and Papot Paredes.  These are guys who did very well last season, and are now missing in the rotation.  Guess who was the point guard during NU’s comeback?
  4. Very subtly, no one noticed that this shorter rotation forced Tampus to play point at times, instead of bringing in Dan Sara (you wanted a shorter rotation didn’t you?  Well you got it in this game).  As a result, Tampus, who was doing well as the 6th man off the very succesful first five of Van Opstal, Villanueva, Atkins, Revilla, and Atkins, had to overwork himself.  Thus, he became foul prone and we only saw him playing effectively again in the fourth quarter.

  Did we gain from this Jekyll and Hyde basketball game?????  TREMENDOUSLY.  NOW let’s look at the positves I saw. 

  1. The press and passing lane defense was BACK!!!!!!!  You know how we scored 30 and 29 points in the first 2 quarters?  Answer:  DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!  They did score only 63 poitns right?  My baromoter this season for defensive success.
  2. Emergence of our potential first 6 rotation (Van Opstal, Villanueva, Atkins, Tampus, Revilla, and Atkins).  They are now emerging as the core of our team this season.  Aren’t you glad that it’s coming out this early?  The shorter rotation you speak of should have a SOLID first five or 6 core.  This is what Ateneo and Adamson have.
  3. The emergence of Oda Tampus.  Look at our players who were being defended very physically in the second half.  Who put a stop to that drought?  Who came up with crucial plays, both offense and defense?  Study the tapes.  It was ODA TAMPUS.  Subtle as it may have appeared to some.  Putting in the vernacular, “sa tigasan ng katawan at baragan ng laro, sumasabay na si Oda” Don’t focus your analysis on “we just have Revilla”.  SureL.A.is our leader now.  He will consistently do what is necessary for us to win and yes, he played another hell of a game yesterday with 19 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists, etc.  Hell, he is now our J.V. Casio.
  4. MAUIVillanueva.  Much maligned?  Now what can you say?  Mauimay not be there in the stat sheets but he is in the mold of players like J.R. Aquino, Jerwin Gaco, and Adonis Sta. Maria.  You need players like these on a championship team.  If everyone is a superstar, there will be chaos.
  5. NOW we have a blueprint for teams who will play physical on us.  We can now learn from this experience and react accordingly.

My advice has always been the same.  Take it game by game.  A different game plan for every game.  Each opponent is unique.  You cannot apply the same strategies each and every time. You will become predictable and generic, and you will NOT win the championship.  Short or long rotation?  Take your pick. 

        ANIMO!!!!!!! 

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guys, nababasa ba 'to ng mga coaches and players? kasi if not, this site is useless :(

this blog is a place for everyone, especially we passionate Lasallian supporters, to voice our opinion....the coaches and players may or may not have read this blog but they are not obliged to if we just wanted to address our concerns to them, then why start a blog? there's always email.... so if you think this site is useless then don't visit again..

simon should mix his plays. he forced too much 3-pointers. take a jumpshot or drive to the rim, at least you're a better slasher than webb. AVO should play more, even though he plays well, he needs more exposure and stamina for crunch time. GOOD: MAUI's FREE THROWS <3

"Take it game by game. A different game plan for every game. Each opponent is unique. You cannot apply the same strategies each and every time. You will become predictable and generic, and you will NOT win the championship. Short or long rotation? Take your pick."whoever says this.... Definitely,.............I agree with this statement....!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, what’s up with Simon Atkins? Whatever happened to his outside shooting & dribbling skills? On the other hand, I must commend Maui for doing a job well done. Those 2 blocks were superb. It’s nice to see Maui getting his groove & confidence back. I hope Jovet & Papot will be given a chance they deserve...

la salle should start dumping the ball more down to its big men and give them the exposure and confidence quick. we need them to be physical and bangers down there to make a difference. once their a threat, it will free up our shooters, which we have an abundance. for this to happen, we need a good coach for these young big men and Yturri is not the man. He was never an effective big man when he was in school, amateurs much more in the pba. Why not get Limpot or Joey Sta. Maria to teach them. Joey S. was not that big but he knew how to play very well at the post. the team is talented but we need some big time changes to the coaching staff please!!! ANIMO LA SALLE!!!!

This is a very talented but young team that needs time and more exposure. but the coaching staff must make a lot of adjustments on their part to enhance the skills of these kids. I definitely agree that Jack Santiago and Yturri must go and be replaced with people who can give better inputs to dindo. they have no use other than being "utusan" of the pumaren brothers. LET ME PUT THIS ON RECORD, LA SALLE IS THE ONLY TEAM THAT WILL TRULLY CONTEST ATENEO FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP. FEU AND ADAMSON, THOUGH VERY VERY STRONG TEAMS, WILL SURELY NOT CONTEST ATENEO. THEY ARE JUST THERE TO BEAT ANYONE WHO IS A THREAT TO ATENEO. WHY?? WE KNOW FEU WILL ALWAYS PLAY TO LOOSE WHEN UP AGAINST ATENEO ALL BECAUSE ITS OWNER MONTINOLA, SPORTS DIRECTOR MOLINA, ASST COACH TICZON, ARE ALL DIE DIE HARD ATENISTAS. ADD TO THAT THAT ITS ASST COACHES KIDS LIKE ABBARIENTOS ARE ALL STUDYING AT ATENEO. SO WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT. DID YOU SEE WHAT HAPPNED LAST YEAR? SO WHERE IS CAPACIO NOW? EMPLOYED BY AN MVP COMPANY OF COURSE AND HIS SON NOW WITH ATENEO. AS FOR ADAMSON, AUSTRIA'S SONS ARE ALL PLAYING FOR ATENEO WHILE HIS FAMILY WAS GIVEN A JOB AT AN MVP COMPANY. SO ITS BASICALLY AGAIN THE UAAP VS. LA SALLE! ANIMO LA SALLE!!!

hey man, get your facts straight. and ateneo did not pay the capacios/ austrias para magpatalo. sino ba namang coach gagawa nun.

obviously, from your comment, you dont know anything about the whole system. your just one of those bleacher fan. but thats ok, your entitled to your own opinion. if you only knew how dirty it is inside. but thats all part of the game. oh one more thing, capacios other sone is a rookie at ateneo jrs. so go figure.......

FEU will always play to LOOSE? Ano yun, maglalaro sila nang maluwag?

hahahaha..ayos...onga no? ok yan, some light moments, masyadong heavy ang usapan eh...basta, kitakits mamaya sa game :)

abangan, lets see, ang aking pamantayan are the era of renren down to joseph so i would score 4 for this team.

Starting Five/ Six L.A, Marata, Maui, AVO, Simon Jovet Off the bench Yutien Oda Luigi Papot Torres Papot in exchange for Webb's Playing time :) I think Papot deserves more playing time than Webb does. Sara,Gotladera,Reyes on the bench, Be used only in Blow out games or games with good Outcomes for them to get Exposure, But off course they should show that they deserve to be on the team. Show what they can contribute in the team in their trainings :)

Starting Five/ Six L.A, Marata, Maui, AVO, Simon Jovet Off the bench Yutien Oda Luigi Papot Torres Papot in exchange for Webb's Playing time :) I think Papot deserves more playing time done Webb does. Sara,Gotladera,Reyes on the bench, Be used only in Blow out games or games with good Outcomes for them to get Exposure, But off course they should show that they deserve to be on the team. Show what they can contribute in the team in their training's :)

Well acTually this was not the lowest scoring quarter in the history of UAAP. It was rather one of them. According to the commentators, only 2 points were scored in one quarter a few years ago by Ateneo, who were also playing against NU. The difference is that the Eagles scored with a field goal and the Archers scored with free throws.

Now it has become very clear that we just cannot rely on our offense, as shown in our 3rd quarter collapse against NU, thus we MUST... MUST step up our defense, it is imperative that we stop the other team from scoring for us to be have a chance this season. On a side note, why wasn't Papot and Jovet fielded in the game?

hopefully against UE this Sunday, Papot and Jovet will be given a lot of playing time including Gotladera and Vosotros.

Good players just dont turn bad overnight. It's just that the other teams have found the antidote on how to guard Webb. Hence, turnovers and bad court decisions. What Webb should do is improve his overall game.

Rayray Parks Jr. = good player, WRONG TEAM Mike Silungan = good player, WRONG TEAM Joshua Webb = SHOULDN'T BE IN THE GREEN ARCHERS LINEUP!

Kudos to nel for writing this great article! The good thing about the game about NU yesterday (actually, the past two games) is that Dindo and company already found the right mix of players that he could depend on as starters and members of the second unit. It was a good decision on that part of Dindo to have Sam as a starter, as the kid regained his shooting touch, thanks to renewed confidence in him by the coaching staff, and, of course, renewed confidence in himself. L.A., Oda, Arnold and Luigi are, so far, the most consistent Archers. Maui keeps on doing a lot of things that do not appear on the stat sheet but help big time in the team's campaign this UAAP season. L.A., as always, is the leader of this generation of Archers, as he has the heart to step up when needed. Yutien is also one of the most hardworking Archers but he is better off playing the 4/5 (as shown during the Archers' game against UP, wherein the combination of Yutien and Arnold created a mismatch in DLSU's favor) than being assigned to the 3, which seemed to be the case yesterday when Dindo "experimented" with the line-up. Jovet is another one of the most hardworking players that we have, which is why i wish to see him getting more playing time, especially when the Archers face the Red Warriors on Sunday. Fonzo is another player who i see with a lot of potential and, hopefully, the game against UE, where he will be facing former San Beda Red Cubs teammates Chris Javier and Von Chavez on the other side, will give him both ample playing time and the confidence that he can gain now that he is wearing the green and white jersey. Lastly, Papot did an amazing job last year and i hope that he too will get ample playing time on Sunday so that he can regain his confidence and his basketball "mojo". My gravest concern, however, is with the way Simon, Norbert and Joshua are playing lately. I have no problem with Simon being the starter but why did he keep on forcing those shots during that infamous third quarter instead of giving the ball to the big man at the post or to a teammate who is ready to drive towards the basket? With Norbert, he has all the potential of becoming a good big man but it seems to me that he is not comfortable doing just that (Could he be more comfortable as a 3 than as a 4/5?)? As for Joshua, well, with him being a turnover machine nowadays, the team will be better off by having him as the last man on the rotation. Now, for the game on Sunday, the Archers, and Dindo and company, should learn the lessons gained from the past four games. Forty straight minutes of hellish defense, the development of that killer instinct, a never-say-die attitude (something that L.A. and Oda have been showing for the past four games) by all in the team, the development of consistent, and having faith in the Lord and in themselves will enable the DLSU men's basketball team to not just beat UE but reach great heights this season. The UAAP men's basketball championship title this season CAN and WILL be won by the Green Archers if they will believe in God and in themselves, and if the community will continue showing support to the team.

congrats for a well-written and thought of article.. i'd have to agree that lasalle played ugly ball in the second half, much to the consternation of those who watched.. Some good points in the game though. We managed to play fluid offense in the first 2 quarters, and I think the main reason was the fluidity in their rotations. I think Coach Dindo only used 8-9 players in the first half and did something right: he started Sam Marata, who nailed all 4 of his attempts from the three point line in the first half. And these were relatively uncontested shots because of good picks. As I've always believed, he can be a Ren-Ren Ritualo if they actually run lots of screens for him. Ren-Ren used to have a go-to play with him running across the baseline past strong screens in order to get free from both corners or quarters. Another strong point was Oda Tampus' play as he obviously had the go-signal to attack the basket. In fact, he is their best slasher player now, much like Joseph Yeo. He still has to develop a good mid-range jumper to keep defenses guessing, but maximizing his strength in this game paid dividends. Maui Villanueva's resurgence is also a welcome sight, and i think he is good as the starting PF/SF or the immediate substitute. Van Opstal played a second consistent game but too bad he got into foul trouble early. He still looks a bit raw, but this game should boost his confidence. I loved the starting five in this game, showing both height in the frontline, and speed in the backcourt. Another good point was our FT shooting, which so far in the season, is much improved compared to the previous years. Overall, I think Dindo has finally an idea of who to start and who to substitute, but i think he tried to tinker with it in the 3rd quarter because of the cushion of a big lead. And you all know what happened: disaster! He brought back his rotation for the 4th quarter, and effectively restored order. One note: Webb saw limited time and that is a very bright decision. He is practically useless already, he is turnover prone and only runs on pure energy. He is only effective in short spurts, which he did in the 2nd quarter (and scored 2 points). Keep him in the bench unless a big energy boost is needed. Keep the more controlled players like Tampus, Dela Paz, Marata inside and the offense flows fluidly. It remains to be seen how Dindo's rotation will fare against their next few opponents like UST, which has bigger athletic forwards and guards, and Adamson, with more experienced and stronger guards and frontline.

When we say short rotation, we mean playing 12 instead of 14. Here's my suggestion. Starting 5 AVO Maui Marata Simon LA Off the bench Yutien Jovet Luigi Oda Almond Papot Torres Sara, Gotladera and Reyes stay on the bench. Let them play when the outcome has already been decided to give them exposure. They are not yet ready. Let them make their contributions in practice. Webb - OFF THE TEAM!!!

What I still can't understand is letting Webb play!!! Take him out of the rotation and bring in someone else. He's a turnover machine. He does nothing good to help the team. All he does is make the other team better.

Lets give the boys a chance..what matters most is that we won and with that we have to commend the players for a hard fought game. The quarter scores and stats dont matter anymore as long as we keep on winning! thats the bottom line! The coaching staff and the players are not perfect. We have to congratulate them and support the team. Congrats Archers! Job well done.

Just let Webb to play defense and wag na lang pasahan ng bola.:)